Tuesday, July 05, 2005

Canada: Gmarriage Victors of battle proceed with ideological mop-up [Canadian Steele], diehards battle on [Colbert's Comments]

For the blog Canadian Steele, the law is passed and will change attitudes by force of its very presence and aura of legitmacy. Behaviours, now controlled by the state to permit Gmarriage and to demote Marriage to a generic, change attitudes. By conditioning, a philosophically third-rate notion will come to be taken for granted, says Steele. For this blog/ger, there's really no thinking to (have) be(en) done. Since the law passed, majority in place, everything else will fall into place too. The opposition will die out. I agree with that. But not because, as CS argues:

Officially recognizing gay marriage is a move to uphold the basic rights and freedoms guaranteed to us as Canadians, and as human beings. To deny such to a certain group, one that has historically been denied equality and continues to be denied is to marginalize that group while promoting immorality. Canada has taken a historic step, one that we should be proud of.


Get the load: basic rights, basic freedoms guaranteed to us [where I ask? - not in the text of the Charter of Rights, as CS knows but disengenously does not mention!], as Canadians - which is a rhetorical add-on to allow a lit parallelism with "as human beings." But this is so far-fetched that it strains detection as to its possible forensic origin - is there some natural obvious somethingorother of normative character and universal presence or applicabability that as a human being a person has a right to deny the uniqueness of the 1woman1man vowed life-journey to the exclusion of all others in favour a generic business structure instituted by this government but not that? It's too loaded, and loaded with a lot of *@#&! There are so many dubious presuppositions in this conflated assertion that one comes to the conclusion that Canadian Steele reasons by puddle of sentiments, and would have the land ruled by such a jurisprudence. "Equality" here comes to reduce all the precious and distinct differences into one indiscriminate blob of reductio ad absurdam. Thus, Lesbian unions are still not recognized in their uniqueness, either. They too are a generic only; the individuals in the union are solemnized as undifferentiated ciphers. Ghost persons of no sex/gender/biochemic/organic/emotional-pattern specificity/mood typicality/life-cycle differentia womnaly specificity to the double power. Likewise, the 2men specific kind of intimate union. Only generics. The Canadian state has actually regressed in this move.

It happens that I belong to "such a group," and I'm not about to sacrifice my mental faculties to say a good word for what has prevailed in the Dominion. It's not in the Charter of Rights, and its not in some universal human condition that the three forms of intimate union (that between 1woman1man, that between 2 women, and that betwen 2 men) are the same more than they are different. Vive le différance! They are not the same, and the feature of sameness is residual to their internal structural realities in which the state has its own interest as far as goes its decision of recognition or not, its provision for or not; and the state has good reason to privilege that form of intimate union, different tremendously from the other two, in that it unites into one societal sphere across the differences internal to it, and thus render it the most difficult and strenuous form of intimacy to maintain and yet that form in which a certain form of family flourishes best and with the greater stablity on average, as social science research bears out and as the state benefits (and hence a factor in determining its own interests).

But, I do agree that "the game" is over. We are sinking into a culture of mindlessness, and a rule of sentiment, not law, not basic rights. Too bad. What's on TV. Ooops, My Gay Wedding. Quick click the off button. - Owlb

Brent Colbert battles on

3 comments:

Jadon said...

That's why I think that the main point to discuss should have been more about similar sexual orientations in such relationships. I was amazed in this whole debate about gay marriage that no one (not that I can tell) considered this. Isn't that what the whole thing boils down to?

To wit, the major conflict is about the form and essence of marriage. That is why some objected to the comparison to interracial marriages. It is not quite the same. It was more akin to a single person wanting to be defined as a couple.

Anonymous said...

Wow. I am afraid you missed the thrust of my post. You state that my reasoning that the bill's opposition will fade is due to "sentimental" and amorphous ideals, which is, in fact, not the case. I didn't said that at all. The passage you quoted was only a generic and brief paragraph supporting gay marriage, a lead-in to the final meme. It was not, as you failed to see, an argument asserting that the impetus of opinion change is derived from such sentiments. I can not even conceptualize the argument you pulled from my post. I think you are a little too vested in the issue to approach nuanced works on the gay marriage topic. Notice how quickly your article became an attack on the validity of the SSM argument? I was not posting some covert pro-gay marriage piece. It was simply pertaining to the idea that behaviour can lead attitude change. Due to my stance you saw/sought/synthesized words I never said.

And if you wish, I'll bite and see where your marriage argument leads. So, could you elaborate on a few of your assertions that I find lacking, mainly:

1)The research that you quote. The strength of studies supporting one family unit or another is, at best, inconclusive, as far as I am aware.

2) The argument that differences supercede equality. A dangerous idea, one I would like to see you defend.

Anonymous said...

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